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28/10/2010 17:00:20
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ועדת השרים לענייני חקיקה תדון ביום ראשון בהצעת חוק המבקשת להתיר לרוכבים להשתמש בנתיבי תחבורה ציבורית. יוזם ההצעה, ח"כ חמד עמאר, סבור כי היא תשפר את בטיחות הרוכבים ולא תפריע לאוטובוסים. במשרדי הממשלה סבורים כי ההפך הוא הנכון
שחר הזלקורן
28/10/2010 13:47

צילום: אוהד צויגנברג
הממשלה נגד הרוכבים, סיבוב 3. ביום ראשון הקרוב תדון ועדת השרים לענייני חקיקה בהצעת-חוק של ח"כ חמד עמאר, לפיה רוכבי דו-גלגלי יורשו להשתמש בנתיבי תחבורה ציבורית (נת"צים). "אני מאמין כי פתיחת נת"צים לדו-גלגליים תאיץ את קצב נסיעתם, בלא פגיעה משמעותית בקצב נסיעת התחבורה הציבורית", מסביר היום ח"כ עמאר. לדבריו, הצעתו "גם תמנע את ניסיונות העקיפה המסוכנים בין הרכבים, דבר שעלול להוביל לתאונות ונפגעים".
 
על-פי הערכות, תתנגד הממשלה להצעת החוק של עמאר. במשרד התחבורה טוענים כי כניסת רוכבי דו-גלגלי לנתיבי תחבורה ציבורית תגרום לסכנה בטיחותית - גם לרוכבים עצמם, וגם לאוטובוסים. בנוסף, כניסת רוכבים לנת"צים עלולה לפגוע בייעודם העיקרי, כנתיבי תנועה לתחבורה ציבורית.


מחאת האופנוענים נגד ייקור הביטוח (צילום: עופר עמרם) 
 
דחיית הצעת החוק צפויה לעמת את הרוכבים פעם נוספת עם הממשלה הנוכחית, וזאת לאחר מאבק ארוך נגד ייקור תעריפי הביטוח, וכן לאחר שמשרדי האוצר והתחבורה מנעו מתן פטור לרוכבים מתשלום אגרה בנתיב המהיר בכניסה לתל-אביב.
 
התחבורה הציבורית לא תיפגע
הצעות-חוק המבקשות להתיר לרוכבים להשתמש בנת"צים, הוגשו כמה פעמים בשנים האחרונות: בכנסת ה-16 הגיש הצעה דומה ח"כ איתן כבל, ובכנסת ה-17 הוגשה הצעה על-ידי ח"כ גלעד ארדן - כיום, השר להגנת הסביבה. בכנסת הנוכחית הוגשו שתי הצעות-חוק בעניין זה מלבד ההצעה של ח"כ עמאר - אחת על-ידי ח"כ זאב בילסקי, ואחרת על-ידי ח"כ רונית תירוש. אלא שכל הניסיונות נכשלו עד כה, בעקבות התנגדותם של משרדי הממשלה.
 
יש לציין כי במערכת הפוליטית מעריכים כי שר התחבורה, ישראל כץ, דווקא נטה לתמוך במתן היתר לרוכבים להשתמש בנת"צים, אך הדרג המקצועי במשרדו הצליח לשנות את דעתו. בעבר גם תמך השר במתן פטור מלא לרוכבים מתשלום אגרה בנתיב המהיר בכניסה לתל-אביב, ואף קידם תקנה בעניין זה ביחד עם יו"ר ועדת הכלכלה, ח"כ אופיר אקוניס. אולם, בסופו של דבר בוטל הפטור, לאור התנגדות נמרצת של משרד האוצר והדרג המקצועי במשרד התחבורה.
 
"במקום לזגזג בין המכוניות"
בשיחה עם ynet, אומר היום יו"ר מועדון האופנועים הישראלי, אליקו אלג'ם, כי עמדת הממשלה היא לא יותר מתירוץ נדוש. "צריך לעודד את השימוש של רוכבים בנת"צים, ולא לדחות אותו פעם אחר פעם. זה יהיה יותר בטוח, מאחר שזה יאפשר לרוכבים להימנע מלזגזג בין טורי המכוניות. תשומת הלב של הנהגים כלפינו הולכת ופוחתת, ולכן השימוש בנת"צים יגביר את הבטיחות שלנו".
 
אלג'ם מציע למשרדי הממשלה לערוך ניסוי, שיוגבל למספר מצומצם של כבישים, וזאת במטרה לבחון את ההשלכות של כניסת רוכבים לנת"צים. לדבריו, בלונדון נערך ניסוי אשר במסגרתו הותרה נסיעת אופנועים בנת"צים, ולא נתגלתה כל בעיה בטיחותית. אלג'ם מציין כי לאחרונה אף הוחלט להאריך את הניסוי לתקופה נוספת.
 
"הבעיה הגדולה שלנו היא עם משרד התחבורה", מסכם אלג'ם. "הם מקובעים בעמדתם. הגיע הזמן שיפגינו רצינות, ויאפשרו לנו לכל הפחות לערוך ניסוי. מדינת ישראל צריכה לעודד את השימוש בדו-גלגליים. הקלות לרוכבים יביאו בסופו של דבר להקלה במצב הנורא בכבישים".
edited by b-baisa on 28/10/2010

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28/10/2010 20:23:47
מוטי.א
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היכחדות\זן נכחד
על פי דרווין, אבי תורת האבולוציה, כל מין עלול להיכחד. על פי רוב משך חיים של מינים שהאדם מודע להם הוא מספר מיליוני שנים. מין נכחד בשל אי התאמתו לתנאי הסביבה המשתנים או אי עמידתו בתחרות על משאבי הטבע מול מינים אחרים.
בשנים האחרונות הולכת ומתגבשת ההערכה כי השינויים האקולוגיים הקיצוניים, שנגרמים עקב פעילות האדם, אחראים להכחדת הענק הנוכחית: בעשרות השנים האחרונות חלה עלייה קיצונית בקצב היעלמותם של מינים על פני כדור הארץ, ונראה כי ללא צעד משמעותי ילך קצב היעלמות זה ויגבר.

אני חושב שלשם מכוונת הממשלה...
לא באים לקראת הדו-גלגלי בשום צורה ,
דבר אשר גורם לכך שלאט לאט יעלמו האופנועים\קטנועים מהכבישים.
*הביטוח גבוה
*פחות כלים נמכרים משנה לשנה
*מטרפדים כל יוזמה שמגיעה כמעט מכל כיוון

ההרגשה היא שכולנו נלחמים בתחנות רוח.
אני מאוד מקווה שהטקסט למעלה לא יהיה נכון לגבינו
אולם בקצב הנוכחי
מאוד יתכן שבעוד כמה שנים (לא רחוקות מדי)
נהיה כמו מועדון החמש
ואותו אחד שרוכב על דו-גלגלי,יציג את הכלי באיזו רחבה ביום שישי
ואנשים יבואו עם ילדיהם ,ויספרו להם שפעם פעם
הדבר הזה עם שני גלגלים ומנוע היה נפוץ בכבישים,
ועם הדבר הזה
אנשים היו מטיילים ועובדים - הם גם היו מתלבשים מוזר...
רוכבים עם מעילים בקיץ ,ושמים משהו על הראש שנקרא קסטה או קסדה אני כבר לא זוכר

בקיצור-הבנתם את הנקודה
אני מקווה שפה אתם קוראים רק את דעתי
ולא את העתידshake head
edited by מוטי.א on 28/10/2010

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29/10/2010 05:37:45
kedar
Posts 137
בבקשה לא למהר להתלהב.
האם מישהו לקח בחשבון את הסכנות של נסיעת דו"ג בנת"צ ?
לנסוע אחר אוטובוס שמוציא עשן שחור ומפוייח ישר לפנים של הרוכב, אתה תקוע מאחוריו ואין לך לאן לברוח ?
לצערנו ישנם נתצ"ים שמופרדים משאר הנתיבים במפלס מסוכן, וכבר מישהו נהרג בגלל זה
ועד היום לא תיקנו הפרדה זו.
לדעתי קשה יותר לברוח מהסכנה כאשר אתה רוכב בנת"צ מאשר בנתיב רגיל.
אני לא קובע עמדה, אני רק מציע לשקול את כל היתרונות מול החסרונות(שאמנם קיימים) ולהערך בתאם.
דני

נ.ב
בירידה מהדר חיפה לכיוון נשר יש נת"צ מוגבה + נתיב בודד משמאלו וכל זה בעיקול ובירידה. שימרו נפשותיכם מנסיעה בקטע הזה.
edited by kedar on 29/10/2010

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